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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and we have

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a very special guest with us today uh

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unlike any guest we've ever had on the

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show to my knowledge i don't think we've

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ever had a

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professional musician out there cutting

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albums

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and making music come on the show but

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that's not the only reason he's here

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here tonight as well he's going to be

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sharing some experiences

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that he he's had with uh with topics

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that we've covered on the show

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plenty of times before but not in this

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light i'm so excited

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to welcome to the show for the very

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first time christopher wells chris

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thank you so much for joining me today

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man thank you for having me ryan i'm

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glad to be here excited

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that's gonna be fun it's dear to my

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heart good

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good i'm glad to hear you say that

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because you know there's been a lot of

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um a lot of musicians coming out lately

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admitting that they've either had like

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ufo sightings

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or experiences um you know to my

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knowledge post malone

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recently came forward uh one of the guys

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from oasis and then um

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machine gun kelly of all people all

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saying that they've had brushes with the

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paranormal or ufos

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and when i heard your album and then

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found out that

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oh my gosh this guy's an experiencer i

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knew i had to have yawn so

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we're definitely gonna dive into um a

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lot of different things tonight but i

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want to talk about the album

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first and foremost uh that recently

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dropped of yours um

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with your band though never lucinary so

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before we do that could you give us

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maybe the origin story of how you first

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uh got

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interested in music um maybe a little

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about your musical journey

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and uh what led you to pick up the

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instruments oh well

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um i have musicians on

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both sides of my family literally my

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my father played um my grandfather

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violin and piano so there's literally

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musicians you know peppering my family

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tree

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and i just started performing early

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on just doing little musical stuff

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uh we were kind of required to do at

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per year and i kind of found myself

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wanting to volunteer to do it i just

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really enjoyed it

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so i guess from that basic

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enjoyment of it i got you know i got a

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kiss record when i was a kid and

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heard a couple of big riffs and big

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chords and i've been

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knocked silly ever since i love that i

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love hearing kind of the

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like pinnacle album that got someone

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everyone seems to have one um well you

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did mention musicals

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that's something that caught me uh

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caught my attention because i don't know

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if you know this but i'm a uh

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a playwright here in new york city i i

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went to school for theater

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i've done musicals i was in a um a very

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off-broadway musical called idol based

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on american idol

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we got the worst reviews ever man but

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hey it's a talking point in auditions

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for sure but um

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yeah i read that you did some musicals

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back in the day um can you remember any

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of those roles

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you know it it was such a long time ago

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like really really super super young

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yeah and i remember doing like bye-bye

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and with side story and oklahoma

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and we had to get up every morning at

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the crack of dawn and

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rehearse and then go to school and then

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but i loved it so much and it was such a

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it didn't it never seemed like work to

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me i never got nervous

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i never got it just seemed very

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easy almost too easy you know it's

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cool yeah i guess from there i just got

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went to military school in virginia for

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a year and got into punk rock and stuff

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big pop songs and then punk

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and having those two things mixed

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together and having a love for it and

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the riffage from kiss coming into it to

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be knitted

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but you're like damn that's good yeah

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you know sometimes whether the art is to

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taste or whatever sometimes you can't

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deny beautiful art and wonderful art

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you know it kind of speaks for itself no

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matter what you're into yet at least

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in my effort that we're going to create

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it absolutely yeah an appreciation for

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um well i did read that as you kind of

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um progressed in your your musical

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journey some of the noted people you've

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that stood out to me what was that

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experience like working with her

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it was really cool you know it was

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a spur-of-the-moment thing i was

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new york city hanging with some friends

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and she got in wind of this little

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you know group they had going and

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said hey you know i'm looking to you

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know for a new band

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to do some shows and i think coachella

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was one of the shows originally

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that that was supposed to be a part of

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but had never ended up coming into

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fruition

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but uh the the short of it is we ended

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flying out she flew us out to l.a and

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put us up

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and uh we hung out for uh

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about nine days or so we learned all

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all these songs and bob marley songs

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that she wanted to do then she would

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kind of come into the rehearsal and

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check us out and you know give her input

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or whatever and uh

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it was really interesting you know it

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one of these times you're like oh wow i

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think i made it i made it i made it

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the next thing you know it's like nine

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days later it's like i'm back where i

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was like oh wow

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that was quick yeah yeah man i can

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imagine

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it's a flurry like you know you you kind

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of get

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put back into your shoes right yeah but

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not doing it is a bigger pain than the

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pains that happen

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that you go through while you're trying

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to make it happen

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you know the fact that you're not doing

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it or doing something else that

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you're really not feeling what you're

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that pain is greater than any pain of

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you know

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or dues that one would have to pay you

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know for me i feel

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i feel lucky i love it so much and you

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know there's you know it's

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feast for famine sometimes it's really

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great other times it's not and

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especially in times like this you know

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i was about to you know go over to go

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over to france you know my uh

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my drummer chris mcgrew and i we had

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plans to go to paris and

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had stuff booked and we're meeting with

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some people over there to make some

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and you know had great plans you know

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but as they say that

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you know the best plans of mice and men

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go astray or whatever yeah don't

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freaking happen and then you end up

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you know homeland bound with a pandemic

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but uh you know it's been an interesting

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for sure i wouldn't trade it for

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anything even like the weird stuff that

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have like why am i here

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because it was kind of heartbreaking

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we were going to go and go on the road

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play coachella to all these cool shows

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and that wasn't to be the plan you know

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you know i guess life will kind of have

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its uh you know you you're doing the new

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york city thing i'm

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you know what's up i know the game the

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highs are the lows it's like you're

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skiing in the alps one day and the next

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day you're dialing together you know

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tell me about it man i um you know i've

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some television work in the past and um

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you know i'll be on set and it's awesome

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like you feel

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like you're you're doing something

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you've always dreamed of doing

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you're living in the moment and then the

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next week i'm back here in new york

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and i'm uh you know mopping the floors

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at the bar that i work at during the day

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it's a very humbling experience and i

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think that that could be said of any

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artist whether it's a musician

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or a writer or painter you know you will

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those uh existential moments of

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creativity

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and and rewarding moments of people

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being like i love your work

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and then the next thing you know you

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know nobody knows who the hell you are

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you're just another cog in the machine

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and that's just

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that's the way it is but it's good to

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hear you know

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that um that you find music as

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a release and a way to kind of move on

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you may not be doing it live it's been

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my best friend it's been my

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you know my psychiatrist it's been

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the you know besides you know a few

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close family members

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like the main constant in my life you

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takes up the biggest place in my heart

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you know it's what you know

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it's it's what i am literally it's in my

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from both sides and when i've tried to

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other things and really put my develop

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my energy towards them they just didn't

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things always pushed me back towards

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happenstance on you know

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the studio time in high street coming

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available and

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certain guys that i've wanted to play

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with were in town and

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you know everything just fell into place

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and this record just you know of these

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songs

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some of them i've had sitting around for

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a minute and

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some others were kind of uh created

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around it to kind of complement

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some songs that had already been written

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but uh you know it's a

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really exciting just to even during

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these times to be able to

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have something to focus on instead of

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looking at the tv and

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wondering what this bizarre you know

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person's going to say or what this

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person is going to say

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and what's the new news you know it's

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like you turn it on and you're like

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yeah okay we can watch it

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yeah what what world ending thing are we

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going to hear about today on twitter i

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totally get it man

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oh yeah but just to create during this

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time has been

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it's been a godsend i told i completely

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understand that i mean doing this

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podcast for me has been my outlet my

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release my way of creating

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creating something to put out into the

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world when

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you know kind of the world like you said

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has been put on hold

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for people in all walks of life um

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and it's just it's an incredible time to

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be living in

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um in good and bad ways but um

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let's talk about the album um could you

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tell us a little about the process

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of making the album um you mentioned

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where you did the recording i'd love to

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hear more about that

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and what kind of makes up the band the

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nevolutionaries

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i love the name first and foremost but

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um yeah tell us a little about the

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history of the band and

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how the album came to be if you don't

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mind okay well essentially the history

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of the band

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uh most of the record most of the parts

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on the record were

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except for the drums which were played

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by

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chris mcgrew and um nick baglio

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most of the other parts i did myself on

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a couple of the tracks

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namely ariana i had uh ryan hickey who

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is an

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awesome awesome pianist uh

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add his piano vibe to it and also johnny

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xdel

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played guitar on it and

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i had my buddy kenny olsen who's played

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with a bunch of people

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from george clinton

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kid rock he plays with a bunch of folks

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but he played a lead on something

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and so it's essentially me having these

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songs around

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and really wanting to get them out and

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then having these awesome players that

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could kind of add their bit of their

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energy and their vibe to it to kind of

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make it a little you know push it to

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another place that necessarily my energy

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may have not had taken into you know so

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like what

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you know kenny brings to it you know his

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vibe

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is different than mine and so it kind of

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it's a nice little surprise when

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everything comes together so nicely

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but most of it's me and uh

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recorded it at hyde street studio c aka

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wally's hideout where

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back in the day that's where the

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grateful dead would go and do their

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records and

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you know they would hole up there

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because they felt it was like one of

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their

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recording homes away from home per se

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and

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amount of

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uh awesome artists that have recorded

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there

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it's a very hallowed and sacred it's

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like a musical church of sorts

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you know you can just walk through the

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halls and you can just

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feel like you know like the dead

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kennedy's recorded there and crosby

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stills nash and

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you know digital underground you know

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michael fronty green day you know just

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through all different different times

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you know it's been a constant there and

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just to be kind of uh

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you know able to record at such a

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historical place

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that i also you know was recording there

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with my friends

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and you know every literally everyone

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that worked on this record it wasn't

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like i got some you know hey session guy

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over here there were people that

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i cared about and i have love for so

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you're getting so much more on that

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you know right they they care about your

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your product you know they have an

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investment in it

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because they have a relationship i get

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that i i i would tend to um

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i guess presume that some musicians who

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go into a studio with

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you know someone on keyboards they've

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never met in their life but is there for

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a paycheck

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like they're not gonna be as they're not

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going to give it what you really want am

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i correct in assuming that

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no it really depends on the caliber of

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existing you're dealing with if you're

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dealing with a professional

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you know you know you've been in you

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know the theater game

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yeah and just doing a podcast when

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you're that person you have to bring it

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regardless and it's like i played shows

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in front of

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three people and then 30 000 people

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and i play the same with each show you

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know

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no matter how many people are there and

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i think you can have guys that show up

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that just bring it you know because

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you can't fake the producer out because

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you're not going to get something

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he wants and they have you there because

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they know that you're

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capable of doing this task and doing it

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you know with a certain level of

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professionalism and a certain out

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you know outcome you know positive

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outcomes so

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i'm gonna get too many uh people in

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there clowning around

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well you mentioned ariana now this is

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one of the first songs that really

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stuck out to me on the album i know it

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was one of the first singles

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released and um i loved this description

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that you've given for the song

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of being a a concept of a dream love

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um it just sounds so romantic to me i'd

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love could you maybe

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tell us a little about the process of um

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writing that song and what it means to

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you because

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that one really resonated with me oh i'm

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glad it did

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um i guess from a lyrical vibe

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just if i met my soul mate what would

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she look like

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what would her voice sound like what

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would her energy

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be like you know when i got into like

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almost a meditation of that

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feeling and how to take that feeling and

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translate it into sound

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so i wanted the guitars to be swirly and

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almost dreamlike

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so i used an ebo which is um

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[Music]

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a guitar effect that you hold over the

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guitar strings and it

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vibrates uh it makes a string oscillate

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it's like a little violin noise a lot of

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really cool songs that

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uh it's been used on that you probably

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love but um

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that helped me mimic the swirly kind of

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feeling and a nice bouncy kind of bass

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line it was just kind of laid back and

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grooving

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and then uh chris mcgrew put this really

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laid-back

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kind of carefree in the pocket beat to

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it that just kind of

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makes it really really flow and that was

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uh

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that's that was definitely a moment that

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was one of the first songs we tracked

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actually

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uh because i'm usually uh at the core of

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me i'm a rock guy i love

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you know the big guitars and stuff but

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i've always been a sucker for a really

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awesome ballad that's done well and

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that's tactful and that you know

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that gets to the point of making you

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feel

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that's the beauty of it yeah and you're

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right that um it was definitely one of

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the more uh

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uh ballad-esque songs i would say on the

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album but that's what i like about

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this lp chris is um it's it's all over

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the place in a good way

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you know some some albums if it's a

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concept album boom you've got like a

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story front to back

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um some like the style is exactly the

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same every song

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which is fine it's okay there's a place

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for that but with this one man i mean

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you did you had a little of something in

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every song in a different style

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um it was so refreshing especially right

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now man

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i mean we're living in this world where

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everything's like

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standing still and mundane and kind of

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um

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you can kind of predict what the day's

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gonna be like but i remember putting

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your album on

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when uh your producers were so kind to

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send it to me and um

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every song i was like ready for

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something new

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so um you're right there were some yeah

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the um what were the other ticking away

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and everybody's losing their minds for

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the other two that

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really stuck out to me so i highly

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suggest all of my viewers and listeners

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check out

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those songs um on the album as well

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ironically everybody's losing their

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minds was

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written before the pandemic that was a

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question

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just to let everyone know because that

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would be kind of artistically

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irresponsible i think

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i mean i was kind of juggling with it

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making it the first single

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instead of ariana but you know i figured

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ariana

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had such a universal appeal to it and

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just a nice

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vibey you know way to kind of come into

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things

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you know that we can get funky with it

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later you know but for now let's kind of

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ease into it

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right that's definitely what it did for

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me and i mean

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some of the guitar riffs you had

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throughout uh were awesome

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and um your voice man i can tell

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you come from a musical background

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because your vibrato is insane

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um that's my musical theater coming out

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in me right now thank you

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yeah it was awesome um well i wanted to

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ask you about ariana

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um the the idea of dreams i also

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in doing a little research on you um

568
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:43,039
ariana being a song about dreams there

569
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:44,720
was something else that really stuck out

570
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,440
to me

571
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,440
about dreams in an article that i read

572
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:49,600
about you um i believe it was for

573
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,039
eight okay a tattoo website and um

574
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,640
it was about one of the tattoos you got

575
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:56,400
from a dream you had would you be

576
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,960
willing to

577
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,640
maybe share a little about that with me

578
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,400
i find that fascinating

579
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:03,520
yes i had this interesting dream where i

580
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:04,240
guess it was

581
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:08,799
me in the future because i was

582
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:13,039
a lot older and i was on this mountain

583
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,480
and there was lightning and all this

584
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,799
stuff around me and

585
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,520
i guess at the time from what i could

586
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,960
see

587
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,000
it was that triangle

588
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,159
with the eye in it and then i got like a

589
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,480
tribal thing around it because

590
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,039
that was as close as i could kind of

591
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,159
recollect it and bring it into

592
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:35,840
have you know description to have

593
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,520
someone do it but as time has gone on

594
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:42,720
i've had the dream a couple times before

595
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,640
i mean again and it turns out being

596
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:49,200
what ended up being the symbol that i

597
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:49,760
use

598
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:53,520
it was like a crown with a lightning

599
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,320
bolt at the bottom of it so at first it

600
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,000
just looked like this really weird

601
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,480
tribal thing within this time shifted

602
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:02,159
and i've had a dream like i've gone back

603
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,880
there

604
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,720
and it the last time i remembered it it

605
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,080
kind of looked like that

606
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,960
so even with coming up with the idea

607
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,480
first i wanted a strong

608
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,440
image and that image in some form or

609
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,120
fashion has been in my life for years

610
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,640
and it's morphed

611
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,799
and this is you know even i even have it

612
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,320
on my guitar

613
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,880
on the top of the headstock you know and

614
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:24,720
so it's kind of what it's morphed

615
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,760
into being and i don't know what what it

616
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,720
means

617
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,559
you know because i don't know what our

618
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,159
subconscious is or

619
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,000
you know them if we could figure out the

620
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,960
messages then we'd be millionaires right

621
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,640
oh my gosh man i will that was going to

622
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,320
be my next question for you what do you

623
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:42,159
what stock do you put in dreams i know

624
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,280
some people

625
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,960
just think there's nothing to them it's

626
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,720
just you know random

627
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,200
spurts of your brain going through or

628
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:51,120
some people think it's another plane we

629
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,679
live on

630
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,559
an alternate reality but um what power

631
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:55,919
do you give dreams if i

632
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:59,120
may ask i think it's honestly probably a

633
00:23:03,590 --> 00:22:59,840
little bit of

634
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,600
everything you mentioned i'm sure that

635
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,200
there are some that are insignificant

636
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:07,039
that are just born from fear i'm sure

637
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,080
there are some that

638
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,120
are brought in from the cosmos

639
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,960
to give us hints i'm sure others

640
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,120
are and this is something that i have

641
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,919
when i sleep sometimes it's like i

642
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,000
i guess it's like my i have like these

643
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,559
little astral travels sometimes i

644
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:27,200
feels like i've got go places not all

645
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:28,240
the time

646
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:32,240
but when i come back i'm very

647
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:36,559
worn down in my spirit like the next day

648
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,320
it's very strange so i take a lot of

649
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:42,960
stock into it but it really depends on

650
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,080
a what you believe in you know that

651
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:47,919
you're you know where your

652
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,600
faith value is is the biggest thing

653
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,720
uh i'm someone that you know i'm not

654
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,400
a religious person i'm a spiritual

655
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,480
person i believe that there

656
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,640
are probably many higher powers you know

657
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:02,720
that but i believe in something greater

658
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,440
because i've

659
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,480
seen miracles and you know i've seen

660
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,360
things you know that we'll get into that

661
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,200
i can't explain them

662
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,200
and other people can't either you know

663
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,520
so at this point i'm not going to

664
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,880
you know doubt something

665
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,000
simply because i don't have the

666
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,400
knowledge i'm just lacking the knowledge

667
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:26,000
to know and confirm gotcha well you open

668
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,799
the door

669
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,559
so let's go there man let's definitely

670
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,039
go there um the unexplained

671
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,240
uh i don't know any of these experiences

672
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,360
i we haven't

673
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,679
talked much off air yet about them so

674
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,720
i'm really

675
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,320
excited to hear whatever you're willing

676
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,159
to share i mean i've heard that you've

677
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,679
had a little bit of everything

678
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:46,320
so um whatever you want to share with us

679
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:46,799
i am

680
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,320
to hear about it um

681
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,640
i don't know what you you take the lead

682
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,480
on this one what are some of the

683
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,159
the um experiences that you would

684
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,080
consider uh

685
00:25:01,269 --> 00:25:00,400
out of the ordinary or unwanted in your

686
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,279
life well

687
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,400
well interestingly enough

688
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:07,200
i've had a few experiences happen in one

689
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,240
town there's a

690
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,880
little town in north carolina called

691
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:13,279
wilmington

692
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:17,520
and it's a quaint little town it's

693
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:21,760
old has a history

694
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,039
kind of a dark history in some places

695
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,320
and uh i've actually

696
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:31,520
had an instance where there's a old pool

697
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,760
hall downtown where uh

698
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,320
some famous pool guy broke some record

699
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,000
of knocking in a gazillion balls or

700
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,120
something

701
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,000
but this place used to be a hotel and a

702
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,000
hotel burned down

703
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,960
and i was actually there you know years

704
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,159
and years later

705
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,640
i mean the hotel i think it burned down

706
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,559
around the turn of the century

707
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,559
and there was rumors that there were it

708
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,320
was used for

709
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,720
uh tunnels for the underground railroad

710
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:02,559
to transport slaves

711
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,080
to freedom and uh

712
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,880
a friend of mine's ban was playing there

713
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,080
probably about 12 years ago or so

714
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:15,200
and we were hanging out in one of the

715
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,080
rooms and

716
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,520
one of the guys that worked at the bar

717
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,960
was telling us it's like hey this place

718
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,760
is haunted

719
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,039
there's actually people that haven't

720
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,200
gotten their checks that they were

721
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,880
supposed to get and pick up because the

722
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,480
place freaked them out so bad

723
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,240
they never wanted to come back and we

724
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:30,000
were like yeah yeah yeah i hear you out

725
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,039
here

726
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,240
so we end up going to this one room and

727
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,919
we open this door and it was like a

728
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,200
short door

729
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,520
and they said this is one of the doors

730
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,200
that possibly was

731
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,559
used for one of the tunnels and

732
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,240
the guy opened this door and you could

733
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:48,480
just feel this

734
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,559
frigid musty

735
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,919
wind and vibe and energy

736
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,039
come in and it felt like we

737
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,520
violated someone's space that was sacred

738
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,120
to them

739
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,760
because there was like a thickness in

740
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,120
the air

741
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,200
you know it was uh you could almost cut

742
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,720
it with a knife

743
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,159
and then what was interesting there was

744
00:28:03,510 --> 00:27:14,080
a

745
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:03,520
like people

746
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,520
looking at you and you just feel it and

747
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:10,000
uh also in the same wonderful little

748
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,440
town

749
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,480
and this actually happened both times it

750
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,159
happened with the

751
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:19,520
groups of people we were at this pier

752
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,039
and we're just out

753
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,720
standing in the sand you know watching

754
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,720
the sunset or whatever

755
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,000
and out in the distance we

756
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,440
saw it was like two things come out the

757
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,559
water

758
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:37,200
very quickly like silver ash then back

759
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,320
in

760
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,600
then back out then and gone

761
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,640
and we all just kind of

762
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,240
looked at each other because it's one of

763
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,320
these times that

764
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,320
i'm glad i was not by myself because i

765
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,600
just never would have told the pr i

766
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,360
never would have told us all about it

767
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,320
but i was there with four people you

768
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,200
know

769
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,120
and we all saw that we were all kind of

770
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:01,520
like what in the heck was that

771
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:05,200
but i'm not going to say

772
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,039
it was it would make sense you know

773
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,960
that it would be alien but i'm expecting

774
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,559
it's probably

775
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,480
some kind of government stuff that they

776
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,480
have because there's a lot of military

777
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:18,399
bases near there

778
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,840
and you know what do they say like what

779
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,080
is it like 80 percent of the oceans

780
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,840
you know of the world is the ocean or

781
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,240
something 70 or something like that

782
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:31,279
so there's no telling what's going on

783
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:32,399
down there

784
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:36,480
and i'm sure it's not sometimes i think

785
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,440
when people come all this way to like

786
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,640
you know discover a cricket you know

787
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,399
like they come from like

788
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:49,279
a million years away like we've traveled

789
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:49,919
far

790
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,600
to meet your people and we find you know

791
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,840
this guy little kenny over here little

792
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,600
kenny has a problem and that's

793
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,840
their person that they think you know

794
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:01,840
right so

795
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,039
all that being said it's like i don't

796
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,520
i think it's more of like a dimensional

797
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:09,279
thing

798
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,360
where rifts in time like places like the

799
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,840
bermuda triangle that have high meg you

800
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,320
know like kind of

801
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,880
super strong magnetic pulses or

802
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:22,399
something and

803
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:26,640
that causes that might cause

804
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,549
positioning for something to appear that

805
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:36,799
needs that to do its thing

806
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:40,159
right so right yeah that's an

807
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,679
interesting theory man because i

808
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:44,799
mean a lot of people uh that

809
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,159
look into this ufo phenomenon uh

810
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,720
they they have so many theories on what

811
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,480
it could be other than just alien you

812
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:53,919
know that's all we ever hear

813
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,760
as quote unquote ufo people or ufo

814
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,559
researchers

815
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,120
is uh oh so you're saying aliens have

816
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,720
visited our planet and then

817
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,960
i'm one of the first to always say no i

818
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,200
have absolutely no idea what ufos are

819
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,679
they could be like you said a sort of

820
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,760
rift in time or um

821
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,080
they could literally be time travelers

822
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,919
maybe they're coming back

823
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,159
to check on us or whatnot or maybe they

824
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,000
are interdimensional

825
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:23,360
um i think the theories are

826
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,039
so vast and so um you know immeasurable

827
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,960
that we'll probably never know what

828
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,399
those things were that came out of the

829
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,320
water that you saw um

830
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,120
i think one theory is there if they were

831
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,720
from the future or something like that

832
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,080
they're probably coming back for like

833
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:40,000
comic relief

834
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,039
you know they're sitting there like on a

835
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,720
photo like hey you guys want to go back

836
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,320
to 2020

837
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,640
check that here out you guys want to

838
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,600
laugh

839
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,399
let's check this out yeah there's so

840
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:52,240
much out there and

841
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,440
like even uh i was in virginia

842
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,559
about four or five years ago and my

843
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,080
girlfriend and i

844
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,760
were riding on

845
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:08,480
shore drive which is right next to the

846
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,200
uh

847
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,480
the bay and it's about 10 o'clock at

848
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,559
night so i'm driving

849
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,360
and it's pretty much the road then some

850
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,080
beach houses the beach and then the bay

851
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,279
so i'm looking to the left towards

852
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,399
the bay and i see this huge

853
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,430
and i didn't say anything at first i

854
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,039
just kind of looked and was like okay

855
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,080
i'm tripping i didn't see that

856
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,279
and then i looked again and then i asked

857
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,799
her i said hey do you see that and that

858
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,159
big orange thing over there it's like

859
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,519
yeah

860
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:46,960
and at first i thought it might have

861
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,519
been the sun set

862
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:52,399
but it was 10 o'clock at night and there

863
00:33:04,149 --> 00:32:58,000
was no reason for it was just odd

864
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:07,509
for another you know idea to be

865
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,960
debated over it's our vanity of

866
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,720
ourselves to think that

867
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,360
in this whole vast universe that we're

868
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,830
we're the only ones of this reality but

869
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:23,519
i'm sure there are other things going on

870
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,000
like i

871
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,240
when i think about roswell and you think

872
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,960
about the advances in science

873
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:31,200
that have happened and you check the

874
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:32,320
timelines

875
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,399
on crashes and certain things and then

876
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,399
certain interesting biblical moments

877
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:40,000
that happen in certain pictures they

878
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,440
have like little

879
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,640
spaceships and stuff like that and

880
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,640
even in cave drawings and stuff there's

881
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,960
like little dudes with little helmets on

882
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,919
and little oxygen

883
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:52,480
things in the pyramids there's a dude

884
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,200
with yeah

885
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,440
you know he's in the spaceship too you

886
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:57,200
know he's just hanging out

887
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:01,519
yeah so maybe there's something

888
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,799
but i can also understand why

889
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,399
look at the amount of idiots we have

890
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,000
here just look at what was happening a

891
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,599
few weeks ago

892
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:12,720
in our capital these

893
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,079
irresponsible people doing that kind of

894
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,000
stuff could you imagine

895
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,679
what those knuckleheads would do if you

896
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,359
told them this like everything you've

897
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,480
been taught

898
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,000
because when you start talking about

899
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,839
life on other planets you're talking

900
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,079
about taking someone's religion that

901
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:31,839
they've been taught and raised

902
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,040
on in a base their value system upon

903
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,480
and you're talking about taking

904
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,879
everything they believe in

905
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,359
and breaking it in half right and then

906
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,119
giving it back to them

907
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,800
and asking them how it feels for it to

908
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:47,040
be broken

909
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,430
they almost would have had to even if

910
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,440
they know something and at some point

911
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,320
you know 10 15 years we're gonna know

912
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,599
for sure

913
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:00,880
you know i think they've been trying to

914
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,079
desensitize this for a long time

915
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,599
you know just the amount of

916
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,599
media that's there and people are like

917
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,440
it's accepted and people like there's

918
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,680
several kinds and they probably slide in

919
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:15,440
one real picture with a bunch of the

920
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,000
fakes

921
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:18,240
and then there's the whole thing with

922
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,280
valiant thor

923
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,839
you know and all this stuff you know

924
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:23,520
your ufo history man

925
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,360
i'm a very rock fan you know

926
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:27,440
[Laughter]

927
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,040
right um well oh man there's so many

928
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,720
votes we can go down with

929
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:35,839
with what you brought up um but i love i

930
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,880
love that hypothetical um question of

931
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,160
what would happen

932
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,359
if we did finally

933
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:46,320
the government comes forward and and i

934
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,640
hate

935
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,320
saying the government because it's not

936
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,480
some monolithic thing you know it's

937
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,400
hundreds of thousands of people working

938
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:54,800
different jobs and sectors within this

939
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,920
government but um let's say the

940
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,040
president

941
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:01,520
of the united states come comes out and

942
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,240
says

943
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,480
hey uh we're being visited we've been

944
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,520
visited since

945
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,320
roswell happened uh we didn't think the

946
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,079
public could handle it so we

947
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:12,320
we kind of kept it quiet you're right i

948
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,119
mean

949
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,440
half the country would be like yay bring

950
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,680
it on and the other half would be like

951
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,280
like let's build a wall around the whole

952
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,599
world it would be just like the

953
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,960
elections in the same

954
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,119
makeup of people the same makeup of

955
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,720
people that would be freaking out

956
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,040
would be because you you're going

957
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,960
against their religion

958
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,079
you're right it does they've been taught

959
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:37,200
and they go and every sunday you're just

960
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,079
taking all that

961
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,200
and you know what are they to think

962
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:44,240
you know and that's that's

963
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,160
the main reason why

964
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:51,119
if that does exist it has to be kept

965
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,400
quiet

966
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,760
because it would just be too many

967
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,839
unstable people because everybody's on

968
00:37:01,109 --> 00:37:00,240
medication or drunk or on something at

969
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,119
this point

970
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:02,720
then you just have all these torah

971
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,599
people out there just running around

972
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,480
half out of their minds and someone

973
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,359
trying to maintain control over this

974
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,440
it's like the balance would be well hey

975
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,040
why don't we just go ahead and get some

976
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,040
technology from these people

977
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:20,160
get some velcro so chris collar can stay

978
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,960
up

979
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,280
you know and some great inventions like

980
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,320
that

981
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,119
right or just sit there and destroy

982
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,800
people's spiritual lives

983
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,240
because that that's at the end of the

984
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:33,200
day that's the biggest responsibility

985
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,720
and i've never really even thought about

986
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,480
it until just kind of saying it out loud

987
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,200
just now but it's that

988
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,599
that would be the biggest thing it's not

989
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,320
like oh

990
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,040
are they going to be nice will they

991
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:46,480
staying

992
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:50,000
you know you know do they like music you

993
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,440
know can i jam with one

994
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,119
can i get one to play keyboards in my

995
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,520
band is one already playing keyboards in

996
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,560
my band

997
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,480
that kind of things you can kind of go

998
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,920
around but

999
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,480
at the end of the day i don't think

1000
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,400
people are ready to handle it

1001
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,640
yeah it's hard man it's uh you know they

1002
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,680
say there's two

1003
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,160
the two biggest questions in life are

1004
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,520
why are we here

1005
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,560
um and are we alone so

1006
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,440
either of those questions being answered

1007
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,000
is going

1008
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,720
to profoundly change people it's going

1009
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,040
to be a paradigm shift that some can

1010
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,200
probably adapt to but many probably

1011
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:27,040
won't be able to so i completely agree

1012
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,240
with you um

1013
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,280
well i guess moving back if we pull it

1014
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,119
back into the whole alien

1015
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:36,240
ufo thing um abductions i'd love to get

1016
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:36,960
your

1017
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,560
looked into um you know the betty and

1018
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,079
barney hill abduction

1019
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,839
travis walton those are two of my

1020
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,520
personal favorites because of

1021
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,599
documentation and whatnot but um

1022
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,440
what do you think of the abduction

1023
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:51,200
phenomenon again are we dealing with

1024
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,320
aliens

1025
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,160
kidnapping human beings and

1026
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,440
experimenting on them

1027
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:58,000
or is it all something in the mind i

1028
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,119
think it's a government

1029
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,680
to be honest with you really okay doing

1030
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,320
mind control stuff because

1031
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,040
the idea that if they're barbaric enough

1032
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,200
just to come and just take experience

1033
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,320
you know take people up and put like

1034
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,720
cigarette burns on people and stuff like

1035
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:15,680
that

1036
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,400
it's kind of hokey a little bit so the

1037
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,640
whole thing

1038
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,880
the whole abduction thing sounds a

1039
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,920
little hokey

1040
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,960
you know i think what's less hokey is

1041
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,200
like the thing of eisenhower

1042
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,280
meeting with the tall whites while he

1043
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,720
was going to have some dental work in

1044
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,839
california

1045
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,760
now that makes a little bit more sense

1046
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,150
well because it's not

1047
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,200
someone coming and

1048
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,359
popping up in your backyard and like

1049
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,079
okay we're gonna fly you back up here

1050
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,079
i think they would be able to kind of

1051
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,400
have something worked out where

1052
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,760
with the government they would be able

1053
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,359
to get more than enough people that they

1054
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,880
could like

1055
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,599
you know get them to donate themselves

1056
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,960
and do it for free

1057
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,560
rather than having to snatch them up

1058
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,079
against their will

1059
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,319
yeah you know just throw them some

1060
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,040
burger king or something like that

1061
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,520
right think of the uh think of the

1062
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,560
ethical

1063
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,359
you know dilemmas with if if we did find

1064
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:19,359
out aliens have been visiting us and

1065
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,160
they were

1066
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,400
doing these abductions like how do we

1067
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,160
hold them accountable these are

1068
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,599
you know uh the people are not

1069
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,440
okay with them doing these things to

1070
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,880
them so i think i can't even imagine

1071
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,800
i think that i think that whole thing is

1072
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,520
too easy i think the the fact that

1073
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,440
you know something probably did crash

1074
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:42,079
here maybe if it did

1075
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,589
i don't know that's that's yeah it's

1076
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,680
such good

1077
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,560
it's such a tricky thing because within

1078
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,760
a couple of

1079
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,920
degrees you go from sounding like you

1080
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,480
have sense to sounding crazy as hell

1081
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,520
welcome to my life yeah you know

1082
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,880
so it's it's really interesting but i

1083
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,520
do just the abduction thing i'm just

1084
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:08,960
kind of

1085
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,270
you know i think maybe they dog took a

1086
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,560
bunch of acid

1087
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,599
and travis got lost and he got really

1088
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,640
lost

1089
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,079
and they were embarrassed and then he

1090
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,520
kind of showed back up they're like dude

1091
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,640
if you ever come back

1092
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,480
you know or something like that it

1093
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:27,920
wasn't you know

1094
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:31,359
yeah right hey that's that's just as

1095
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,160
viable

1096
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,480
as you know aliens coming down and

1097
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,240
taking him because we don't know

1098
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,680
and i think that's a good point to bring

1099
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,680
up is we can theorize till the end of

1100
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,280
time about all these things

1101
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,359
um will we ever get the answers maybe

1102
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,720
like you said maybe

1103
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,319
we'll get a glimpse of the answer

1104
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,960
someday but i'm with you i i kind of i'm

1105
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:50,800
open to every possibility

1106
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,560
for ufos for supernatural for um

1107
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,160
cryptids which is another thing i'd love

1108
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,720
to get your opinion on of being anything

1109
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,000
because we don't know um something

1110
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:05,040
i do know okay i had a i've had a couple

1111
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:05,599
of

1112
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,680
interesting experiences with uh

1113
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,480
spirits i would say oh yeah if you're

1114
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:13,760
willing to share i'd love to hear

1115
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,920
yeah there is an old neighborhood

1116
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,760
in raleigh north carolina called the

1117
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:21,760
mordecai area

1118
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,280
and at one point they owned a bunch of

1119
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:26,960
slaves and

1120
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,480
i'm sure people kind of meant a

1121
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,599
negative demise there and i've been to a

1122
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,640
couple of houses

1123
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,359
that were on the property and actually

1124
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,720
because they're spread out over a couple

1125
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,079
of blocks because it was a rather

1126
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,920
sizable plantation

1127
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,680
but i've been to a couple of the houses

1128
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,040
and had

1129
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,119
the feeling of someone behind me

1130
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,240
whispering in my ear pushing on me

1131
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,960
and just not being very happy very

1132
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,319
negative

1133
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,000
and i'm thinking it's probably people

1134
00:43:03,670 --> 00:42:59,200
that were maybe slaves or something

1135
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:03,680
and it just it's a very sad energy

1136
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,880
and uh another interesting thing i had

1137
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,400
happened was

1138
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:11,760
i was at girlfriends

1139
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:15,200
a few years ago for christmas holidays i

1140
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:16,480
believe

1141
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,480
and we weren't married at the time and

1142
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,800
nor have i been but we weren't i wasn't

1143
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,480
allowed to stay in the room with her

1144
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,680
because that wouldn't have been a proper

1145
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:27,119
thing

1146
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:31,599
and i slept on the couch about

1147
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,630
she'd lost her mother and i never got to

1148
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,240
meet her

1149
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,119
but i guess that night her mom decided

1150
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:45,760
you know she waited too long to meet me

1151
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,040
and so she was going to meet me so i'm

1152
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,800
laying there

1153
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,880
on the couch and it's about three

1154
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:54,720
o'clock in the morning

1155
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:58,880
and i distinctively feel someone

1156
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:02,560
above me and i feel a little cool and

1157
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,520
then i

1158
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,200
hear can you see me can you hear me

1159
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,160
and i looked up and i could see an

1160
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,119
outline of a person

1161
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,640
and i could kind of tell who it was

1162
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,480
because i'd seen pictures

1163
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,790
and uh i got up

1164
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,000
and then went to her room and i said

1165
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,280
hey babe by chance were you just in the

1166
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,960
in the living room you know of course

1167
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:34,880
i'm waking her out of a dead sleep

1168
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,560
and she's like no what are you doing

1169
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,000
and man i slept right there on her

1170
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,349
right there with her because i i know

1171
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,800
what i heard and it was one of these

1172
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,079
nights where

1173
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,680
you know i wasn't adding cocktails or

1174
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:54,720
anything like that

1175
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,359
and you know it wasn't it was just

1176
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:02,640
so strong and from what i was told

1177
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,400
she would have been you know kind of

1178
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,319
interesting interest it would have been

1179
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,599
kind of weird for someone just to be in

1180
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,520
the house hanging out

1181
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,839
you know so maybe that kind of you know

1182
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,520
but then the next morning

1183
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,280
i talked to her father and i told her

1184
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:19,359
father what happened

1185
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:22,960
and he went yeah she's here i hear her

1186
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,240
wow okay so that was

1187
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,720
but and would that make sense i mean

1188
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,240
some people

1189
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,760
you know i've always been fascinated

1190
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,520
with that more than anything

1191
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,720
you know just a whole thing of

1192
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,040
reincarnation and

1193
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,760
being an old soul you know i said some

1194
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:41,839
kooky stuff to my mom when i was younger

1195
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,319
about

1196
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,960
you know being a spy for god and

1197
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,560
choosing her to be my mother

1198
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,040
and stuff like that and stuff that most

1199
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,560
four-year-olds just don't kind of just

1200
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,000
randomly say

1201
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:55,359
right so yeah that's um

1202
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,119
well the whole spirit thing i love to

1203
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,520
know what you personally feel i mean are

1204
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,880
we dealing with

1205
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,119
the disembodied spirit of an individual

1206
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,400
is this a

1207
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,880
an energy that just seems to stay in the

1208
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:09,599
house

1209
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,880
because she lived there um and yeah or

1210
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,040
have we lived these lives before

1211
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,200
in different vessels i guess is a way to

1212
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:19,040
put it too you mentioned you know you

1213
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,079
said those things

1214
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,760
at four years old what four-year-old

1215
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,280
does that you know unless

1216
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,680
they they know inherently that they've

1217
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,560
lived before

1218
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,480
um yeah i guess the overriding question

1219
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,670
all the above question because i do

1220
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,359
think that

1221
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,520
sometimes just like for instance if

1222
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,200
you're cooking something in the kitchen

1223
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,040
like popcorn in the microwave perfect

1224
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,000
example

1225
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,400
and you burn the crap out of it it's

1226
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:45,760
going to make your kitchen

1227
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,280
reek and you could put all the air

1228
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:50,720
freshener

1229
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,680
incense whatever it's still going to be

1230
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,040
there

1231
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,550
through experience does the same thing

1232
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:02,880
like if someone has a very

1233
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,599
intense experience or leaves

1234
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:10,800
this mortal coil in a very odd way

1235
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,720
that's very intense than just as that

1236
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,240
smoke can permeate something

1237
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:21,040
that energy can permeate and sometimes

1238
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:21,920
it repeats

1239
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,280
itself because sometimes i've seen

1240
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,559
things that are

1241
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,000
you could tell them what they call

1242
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,599
residual hauntings where it's just

1243
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,440
something that's kind of

1244
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,920
you're just catching like a the

1245
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,359
commercial

1246
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,800
you didn't hang it on a really screwed

1247
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:37,920
up television that you didn't know

1248
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,950
and uh but other stuff

1249
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,440
can be intelligent and i think that

1250
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:48,640
things can be

1251
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,319
upset and not ready to go or feel

1252
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,640
that they still have work to do and

1253
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,599
maybe

1254
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,200
you're given a choice you know like a

1255
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,960
lot of people say they go to the light

1256
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,040
but a lot of people

1257
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,839
maybe they want to hang here they have a

1258
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,240
place

1259
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,280
that they loved and

1260
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,640
they want to go back there and that's

1261
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:10,319
where they were the happiest

1262
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,549
a show about uh

1263
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,839
hauntings in the san francisco bay area

1264
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,280
and they were talking about going to the

1265
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,640
war field and they actually took a

1266
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,559
picture

1267
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,200
with a fleur camera and it actually

1268
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:30,720
showed

1269
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,079
this a face and you can see the eyes you

1270
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,559
can see the mouth

1271
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,880
and you could tell from the color of it

1272
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,079
that it was extremely

1273
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,520
cold and then they went back three years

1274
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:44,880
later

1275
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,599
and they caught the same face again

1276
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,079
oh that gave me chills but so much to

1277
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,800
the point where

1278
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,559
they were able to act they were actually

1279
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,640
able to figure out who it was

1280
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,559
it was like a guy that was a

1281
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,800
photographer in the area

1282
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,200
and i guess he was taking pictures of

1283
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,880
the ramones concert

1284
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,559
i mean of the marquis while the remotes

1285
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,280
are playing back in the day

1286
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:14,319
drunk driver runs him over but he was

1287
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,119
always

1288
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,200
there hanging out at the warfield taking

1289
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:18,720
pictures of bands in the

1290
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,319
dressing rooms hanging out participating

1291
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,800
getting the vibe on you know

1292
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,440
so uh it made sense that he would want

1293
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,280
to go there because he would still want

1294
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,440
to be in that energy

1295
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,559
but stuff like that makes a lot that

1296
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,599
makes sense i would

1297
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,559
you know what you you know but it also

1298
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,319
depends on your faith

1299
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,920
you know if you're someone that doesn't

1300
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,520
have faith

1301
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,280
that's why it's it's so tricky where

1302
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,520
this can go because it all depends on at

1303
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,960
the end of the day what you believe in

1304
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,559
your belief system there's some people

1305
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,160
that are agnostic

1306
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,800
and think that when you die it's it it's

1307
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,800
black and that's it and that's it

1308
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,800
that's that some people think that

1309
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,240
people that

1310
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,440
are religious that it's fear born and

1311
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,720
just gives them something

1312
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:07,359
to believe in to kind of quell their

1313
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,240
fear

1314
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,640
of their mortality and the afterlife and

1315
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,000
the unknown because everyone

1316
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,880
knows that you know we don't like to the

1317
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,960
unknown scares us

1318
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,440
it's like that lack of information hence

1319
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,280
being called the unknown and not the

1320
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,359
noun

1321
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,200
oh you're so right that fear of the

1322
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,800
unknown i think is what

1323
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,720
keeps people from looking into these

1324
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,319
things i mean

1325
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,119
here in the ufo world i live in i think

1326
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,960
a lot of people refuse to accept that

1327
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,839
it's possible

1328
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,680
because they don't want it to be even

1329
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,160
though scientifically

1330
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,960
and mathematically the statistics point

1331
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:43,839
to yes

1332
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,480
there is other life out there it's a

1333
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:48,480
question of whether it's visited us or

1334
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
not

1335
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,880
and is that what these ufos on our

1336
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,480
planet represent

1337
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,720
um but you bring up a good point it

1338
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,720
really is the lens i think in which you

1339
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:57,680
look at these

1340
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,800
phenomenon through if you are religious

1341
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,359
you might have a alien abduction

1342
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,200
experience that you think was

1343
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,240
demonic you know or like

1344
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:11,520
you know or if you have a shadow person

1345
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:11,839
or

1346
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:18,079
you know you you survive a car crash you

1347
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,520
definitely should not have

1348
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,280
um if you're religious you're probably

1349
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,960
going to look at god for

1350
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,720
for thank you you know thanks for doing

1351
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:26,319
that when someone else is just going to

1352
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,200
be like

1353
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,520
no man it was just sheer chance that you

1354
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,559
survived that

1355
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,440
um you know the angle was just off and

1356
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,440
go the scientific route so

1357
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,800
yeah i think you're right it really is

1358
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,720
the lens in which you look at these

1359
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,480
experiences through that um

1360
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,640
really matters and you could be so

1361
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,920
informed and you could

1362
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,040
you know i'm someone that's pretty firm

1363
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,119
in what i think

1364
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:52,559
but i'm not so firm that

1365
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:58,950
try you know pull me back once i hear

1366
00:52:03,670 --> 00:51:59,599
them

1367
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:03,680
anything

1368
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,960
yeah they never they never want to hear

1369
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,160
they don't want to they don't want to go

1370
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,000
through that fear right now

1371
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,680
you know so no matter you could sit

1372
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,079
there and show them a picture of it

1373
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,839
and have one of its hairs and have an

1374
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,319
autograph

1375
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,960
and they would just be like no it's fake

1376
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:22,480
no yeah

1377
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:26,640
so at the end of the day i think that

1378
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,079
maybe helps the plight of

1379
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,240
you know our visitors from other places

1380
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,760
if we're having them

1381
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,200
because there's a lot of people

1382
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,240
that have that uh you know

1383
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,800
mindset that's not too far from original

1384
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:44,640
man still

1385
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,670
that's about all that's changed right

1386
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,079
that's so true man um i feel like we're

1387
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,280
entering the second

1388
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,839
prehistoric age right now sometimes

1389
00:53:02,790 --> 00:52:59,440
myself but um

1390
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:02,800
uh well talking about i guess

1391
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,400
um measuring scientifically something

1392
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,599
another topic i find fascinating is uh

1393
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,480
you know cryptid creatures is this

1394
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,240
something you've ever looked into or

1395
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:16,000
have had an experience with we're

1396
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,280
talking not like

1397
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,559
aliens or or angels but like a flesh and

1398
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,800
blood creature that we may have just not

1399
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,559
discovered yet or is

1400
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,400
some sort of missing link and of course

1401
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,599
bigfoot is the one

1402
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,599
i always go to but yeah have you ever

1403
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:31,599
had any experiences like that or

1404
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:34,720
what do you think of that whole thing

1405
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,319
i think that the

1406
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:41,920
theoretical probability of some kind of

1407
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:44,880
ape-like creature at this point

1408
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,280
in time to still not be discovered and

1409
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,440
you know i guess people say that the

1410
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,119
bigfoots they bury each other

1411
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,200
so no one ever finds them or something

1412
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,440
you know they must do a really good job

1413
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,960
because at some point

1414
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,480
you think they might have messed up on

1415
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,480
one at this point

1416
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,520
i think they might just be some

1417
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,400
you know some backwoods kind of feral

1418
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:10,000
people that have kind of lived up in the

1419
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:10,960
woods

1420
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,910
yeah i don't believe it's gonna be like

1421
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,400
uh like a bombable snowman and all that

1422
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:22,240
stuff is

1423
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,359
i don't know because we would have

1424
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,520
discovered it at this point

1425
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:26,960
you know there's we have there's too

1426
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,160
many trail cameras

1427
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,400
and too many ways that we can catch

1428
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,839
things you know the

1429
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,000
the you know the mystical eyes in the

1430
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:38,160
night now have ways of being eliminated

1431
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:42,160
and lit well lit so if it was out there

1432
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,960
at this point

1433
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,440
we would have seen something like you

1434
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,359
know they say like loch ness monster i'm

1435
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,430
big ancient not ancient but something

1436
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,240
that may have survived in the sea

1437
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,680
is more likely at depths where we can't

1438
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:00,720
really go to

1439
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,839
that makes more sense and then just

1440
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,880
because

1441
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,200
they're living without oxygen they might

1442
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,520
have physical deformities that kind of

1443
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,920
reflect their atmosphere or you know

1444
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,280
their surroundings

1445
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:16,000
but i don't think like bigfoot and all

1446
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,359
that stuff

1447
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,119
i don't know about that i think somebody

1448
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:20,559
was just trying to like

1449
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,400
sell some sandwiches cash in

1450
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,839
well that's a good point man i mean

1451
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,000
there's a cultural aspect

1452
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:30,079
to all of these things as well you look

1453
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,359
at um

1454
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,640
like uh forgetting the area where the

1455
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,160
bigfoot was first sighted

1456
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,000
but you know it's a famous tourist trap

1457
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,000
and in roswell new mexico

1458
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,040
you know this crash of 1947 is what this

1459
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,799
town thrives on now they probably

1460
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,440
wouldn't

1461
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,319
have survived the economic downfalls of

1462
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,079
our country throughout the decades

1463
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,880
without this one big festival they do

1464
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,720
every summer that brings like

1465
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,280
millions of dollars into their town so

1466
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,799
what do you make of that whole thing it

1467
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,680
seems like

1468
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,480
each city in each town has a story

1469
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:04,559
that's just begging to be told about

1470
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:08,960
i mean it's mankind's you know

1471
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:12,319
people are greedy at the heart of it

1472
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,160
and will monopolize on anything they can

1473
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,839
get their hands on

1474
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,440
so some of these same people that were

1475
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,240
probably talking junk about

1476
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,559
you know betty and barney hill they

1477
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,319
didn't get picked up by any aliens

1478
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,160
you know as they're talking stuff while

1479
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,400
they're opening their alien store

1480
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:33,520
selling alien trinkets and mugs

1481
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,200
yeah at the new aliens are us you know

1482
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:40,079
on main street in roswell yeah but i

1483
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:41,680
just think that's just people

1484
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,200
just monopolizing on

1485
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,920
you know people's fears and then that

1486
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:49,359
goes to discredit it too

1487
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,880
you know and you know but i i have a

1488
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:54,480
feeling that

1489
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,720
within the next five to six years

1490
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,400
my gut tells me that we will know

1491
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,079
something more

1492
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:05,920
about what if i may ask everything

1493
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:09,119
no of course no i would hope not that

1494
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:09,520
would be

1495
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,040
then could be boring

1496
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,319
yeah very true i think about just

1497
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:18,720
increases in science maybe finding

1498
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,160
underwater creatures would be something

1499
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,079
maybe an underwater city might be

1500
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:26,880
something interesting but i don't really

1501
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,200
think that mankind is at a point where

1502
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:33,920
we could handle finding out there's life

1503
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,960
on other planets and

1504
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,280
and then having that you know it's good

1505
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:39,040
if we can guess

1506
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,280
and and wonder maybe possibly

1507
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,040
the mystery is cool enough but i think

1508
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,559
the reality would scare the [\h__\h] out of

1509
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,400
most people

1510
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:51,040
uh i couldn't agree more i i always tell

1511
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:51,760
people

1512
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,640
um the journey is what gets it for me

1513
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,079
that's why i do this show

1514
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,880
i'm not here to answer what happened to

1515
00:58:03,270 --> 00:57:59,520
you

1516
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,280
and experimented on or

1517
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,599
what that cylindrical object was coming

1518
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,480
out of the ocean

1519
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,559
i just want to talk about it and like

1520
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,839
have that conversation

1521
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,240
so i think you're right man i think the

1522
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:14,079
the technology and the science we have

1523
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,359
now is

1524
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,599
just exploded leaps and bounds i mean we

1525
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,000
just landed on mars again

1526
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,720
which was just an incredible historical

1527
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:23,520
moment

1528
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,359
that in our life yeah

1529
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,799
they've been going back and forth there

1530
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,720
for years i have a feeling that there's

1531
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,280
like a 10-year lag

1532
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:35,520
on when things are discovered and then

1533
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,559
when they actually

1534
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,440
release the knowledge to the public

1535
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,200
because

1536
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,119
like i'm sure that you know the internet

1537
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,640
just didn't pop up you know and you're

1538
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,599
like a t

1539
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,920
plan you know just like hey what's up

1540
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:49,040
internet wow

1541
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,720
this is cool they they had that

1542
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,200
technology before and they utilized it

1543
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,640
to the point where they thought

1544
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,720
it was at a point where it would benefit

1545
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,920
the whole

1546
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,400
and at the end of the day even the

1547
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:04,720
powers that be it's about benefiting

1548
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:07,760
the whole at the end of the day

1549
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,119
you know yeah yeah i mean you're so

1550
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,599
right at least when it comes to like

1551
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,400
the military you know sort of the the

1552
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,200
idea of the stealth stealth program

1553
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:22,000
um they've been flying those things over

1554
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,960
the skies for

1555
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,280
a decade before we found out about them

1556
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,880
just to see if people would see them

1557
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:29,520
that's the point of being

1558
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:32,480
about exactly yep yeah i think you're

1559
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,960
right

1560
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,040
and i think um there's a lot of

1561
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:36,720
suppressed information

1562
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,680
whether it comes to ufos or the

1563
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,040
supernatural or

1564
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,200
you know mind control we know our

1565
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,359
government has looked into

1566
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,240
esp and telekinesis like officially

1567
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,319
they've looked into it in the past and

1568
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:53,119
tried to use it to their advantage um

1569
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,640
there's so much out there we probably

1570
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,160
don't know and that they don't want us

1571
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,359
to know yet

1572
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,119
yet you know they're saying put the

1573
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,880
brakes on but um

1574
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,640
yeah what do you think is there a grand

1575
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:04,480
cover-up

1576
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,839
to bring this back around

1577
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:11,280
there's no grand cover-up but i think

1578
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,119
the truth would be scary as hell

1579
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,280
yeah you know the truth would be scary

1580
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,000
as hell because

1581
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:22,079
there are too many things that the truth

1582
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,599
would disrupt

1583
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,440
you know even if the truth was there

1584
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,680
were then it's like now what

1585
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,319
then you having a whole new onset of

1586
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,760
other issues

1587
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,839
and other fears that will replace that

1588
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:35,520
one you just figured out

1589
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,480
so the rabbit hole deepens and deepens

1590
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:39,839
and deepens

1591
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,950
i try to keep an open mind and i let the

1592
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:48,079
facts

1593
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,319
lead me to the truth and not my fears

1594
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,760
and i think for all your listeners out

1595
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,000
there if you do the same thing let

1596
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:59,599
your facts take you where you want to go

1597
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:02,880
not your fear because fear

1598
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:06,559
will take you some crazy ass places

1599
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,920
and it's really you know it can be a bad

1600
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:10,640
thing

1601
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:14,480
yeah but then again also the fear of not

1602
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:15,040
being

1603
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,799
open enough to welcome these changes in

1604
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:20,240
the world if they were to be

1605
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:23,440
and welcome these new amazing things

1606
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,000
that it

1607
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,799
hopefully one day will be commonplace

1608
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,480
that will be like

1609
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:31,200
you know living in some space station

1610
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,920
and

1611
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:34,000
races from all over the universe will be

1612
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,359
hanging out

1613
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,760
you know i love that when science

1614
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:39,200
fiction becomes

1615
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,040
science fact because i'm sure that's

1616
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,280
exactly what they'd want to do

1617
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:48,000
yeah that's that's that's the priority i

1618
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,359
get it man

1619
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:52,160
um i guess kind of wrapping things up

1620
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,440
chris um

1621
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,839
have any of these experience influenced

1622
01:02:06,150 --> 01:01:56,559
you

1623
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,160
had

1624
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,559
or uh you know we all have those ideas

1625
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,240
of what makes up a song but

1626
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,799
have any of these experiences kind of

1627
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,160
morphed here uh

1628
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,200
and melded into your music yes i think

1629
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,839
more than something direct more than

1630
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:22,319
just the ideology about the questioning

1631
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:23,839
and

1632
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:30,160
it goes do you seek the truth when are

1633
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:31,200
you going to

1634
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,549
that essentially deals with that

1635
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,359
it's like even if you're given the truth

1636
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:44,960
what are you going to do with it

1637
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:48,079
could you handle it and so

1638
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:50,000
that's how i kind of do it i would never

1639
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:51,119
want to be like i

1640
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,670
introduced me to it was gonna be a bit

1641
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,440
more scuttle right yeah

1642
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,920
so and it's more of just like the the

1643
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,240
the concept of it

1644
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,680
that will kind of seep in more but

1645
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,799
you know as far as the writing i'm more

1646
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:12,079
about the

1647
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,480
here and now human experience and the

1648
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:16,880
love because i think if

1649
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,079
you know people have love and acceptance

1650
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:22,400
even you know things that are somewhere

1651
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:23,680
in the skies

1652
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,520
will be welcomed a lot easier

1653
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:30,079
i love that i you couldn't have put it

1654
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:31,119
more eloquently

1655
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,640
um live in the moment god it's just

1656
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,319
it's an incredible place to be even

1657
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,839
though the world seems

1658
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,680
in shambles right now there's beautiful

1659
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:40,960
things happening

1660
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,319
um necessary my friend yeah

1661
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,200
it had to happen because unfortunately

1662
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,359
society needed a really big mirror to

1663
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:51,200
really truly see itself

1664
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:54,640
and the reflection was quite frightening

1665
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,400
but now people can get over that

1666
01:04:01,430 --> 01:04:00,400
frightening reflection and start working

1667
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:01,440
on

1668
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,000
can live with

1669
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,079
that they're not afraid i'm not afraid

1670
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,599
of and doesn't get

1671
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,079
fear one that gives them hope and one

1672
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:13,839
that gives them promise

1673
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,039
you know instead of just paranoia

1674
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,400
well chris i mean kind of i guess

1675
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,640
encapsulating everything what do you

1676
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:24,720
want people to take away from the album

1677
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:27,359
i mean for me it gave me hope exactly

1678
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,400
what you said

1679
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,799
from song to song it just lifted me up

1680
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,440
when

1681
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:33,680
i just like many other people out there

1682
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,640
i have dark

1683
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,520
days man during all this stuff and um

1684
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:39,520
your music came at the perfect time for

1685
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,160
me

1686
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,559
as an individual not just as a podcast

1687
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:43,920
host interviewing

1688
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,720
you but um i needed it so thank you so

1689
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:48,000
much

1690
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,599
my pleasure man um what do you want

1691
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,039
people to take away from it

1692
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:54,559
what you did what you took away

1693
01:05:02,069 --> 01:04:57,920
i want i want it to be like

1694
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:02,079
a little journey you know for 48 or so

1695
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,440
minutes however long it is

1696
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,000
you just put it on you kind of it goes

1697
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:08,960
in different directions it kind of

1698
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:12,319
has ebbs and flows dips and dives

1699
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,760
high points and temp intense points

1700
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,280
funky points

1701
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,920
i just want people to feel it and at the

1702
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:20,880
end of the day

1703
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,559
music is healing and it's the

1704
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,319
most important universal language we

1705
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:28,559
have the most important language we have

1706
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,760
and i feel honored to be you know to

1707
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,520
be a musician to have that as a part of

1708
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,119
my calling

1709
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,280
so it's my honor to bring people music

1710
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,880
and hopefully you know what i bring them

1711
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,640
will make their hearts warm and

1712
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,960
entertain them and make them feel hope

1713
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:43,839
like you did

1714
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,000
you gave me the best compliment because

1715
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,400
no one sells a gazillion records anymore

1716
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:51,440
if i can reach a cat that i never met

1717
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,480
before

1718
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:55,119
that was having a bad day and you know

1719
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,760
he had to

1720
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,400
listen to this record and not only did

1721
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,319
he like the music

1722
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:03,039
but it affected his mood and maybe put

1723
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:05,440
some light on his day

1724
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:08,720
then man how do you beat that

1725
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,319
yeah well you definitely yeah you can

1726
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,720
and you did you you met one tonight man

1727
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:16,640
and i know you're gonna meet a lot more

1728
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,520
after people listen to the album so last

1729
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,960
question of course

1730
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,640
where can we find the album and

1731
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,000
everything you're up to chris

1732
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,720
you can find it on all of your online

1733
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:28,799
music retailers apple music

1734
01:06:34,589 --> 01:06:32,559
uh spotify you can listen to it there

1735
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:34,599
you can go it's released on

1736
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:35,760
polychromatic

1737
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,960
records and i'd like to give a shout out

1738
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:40,880
to polychromatic records

1739
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,760
and to ravypr all for doing such a

1740
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:45,280
fantastic job

1741
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,400
and to you ryan and when thank you for

1742
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,559
uh listening to the record and taking

1743
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,599
the time to really

1744
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,480
get what it was about and to really feel

1745
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,920
it in your heart that means a lot i mean

1746
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,440
i really appreciate it

1747
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,680
my absolute pleasure chris again it's

1748
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:02,160
the nevolutionary nevolutionaries

1749
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,880
uh please go check it out everyone and

1750
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,640
like i said man it was my honor i'm so

1751
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,000
happy we connected

1752
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,160
you shared some awesome stories with us

1753
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,480
we got to talk about the album and um

1754
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,559
i'm gonna go put it on right after we

1755
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:16,160
get off here but on

1756
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:19,920
on on the spot i'm gonna ask you i love

1757
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,480
if we could um play this episode out

1758
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:24,079
with one of your songs

1759
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:27,280
from the album um so is there a song

1760
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:28,960
that you want to leave people with we'll